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re: Bush

Published by bryan | Filed under journal entries

May 8th.

USA Today released a new poll today marking President Bush’ approval rating at 31%. If you are wondering, that’s pretty low. This means the only two communities in America that still support the President are the wealthy, and conservative evangelical Christians, two groups who are, quite nearly, binary opposites.

His falling approval ratings have caused me to question, once again, why it is the evangelical community admires this President. I’ve been wondering what the real reasons are, not the ones so commonly given, about him being a defender of freedom and all of this.

Here are a few suggested reasons, judge them for yourselves:

1. He is like them: President Bush is positioned as somebody who is “like” the modern evangelical. Bush speaks candidly and openly about a conversion experience and a personal relationship with Jesus. He’s a Methodist in practice and it is widely known he holds Bible studies and prayer meetings in the White House. These actions are considered discipleship initiatives by evangelicals in America. That said:

2. He is like them: The particular version of Christianity Bush subscribes to is heavily influenced by Americana, that is his spirituality is self-help, his social justice methodology is free-market (that is not entirely a criticism, by the way) and his theology is simple (good guys/bad guys, us vs. them, Jesus wears a cowboy hat and fought at the Alamo, all captured in Mel Gibson’s movie about the life of Jesus entitled Braveheart)

3. He is like them: Bush takes stands; he thinks in black and white, he is not a flip flopper. He sees something wrong, and he does not seek to understand, he attacks. He has clearly defined enemies, both personally and patriotically. This gives the modern evangelical a clear association with someone good fighting someone bad, and so hijacks the “fans” ego through emotional gratification rather than reason. This personality trait of Bush’ is seen by many Christians as a virtue.

4. He is like them: Bush is not intimidating, either in stature, character or intellect. This trait makes people comfortable.

5. He is like them: Bush stands against Gay Marriage and for unborn children. These two issues define Christian concern for legislative dealings. Bush is a champion of these issues, and wins the hearts of evangelicals in his stance.

And of course there are more, but this should get the discussion started. And while Bush is all these things, and they are mixed in my opinion in terms of being both good and bad (each idea is certainly debatable), he is also so much more, and the “more” is the part hidden from the evangelical populous who so blindly support him.

Here are some examples of how Bush is unlike the average evangelical.

1. He is not like them: He is dishonest: While Clinton is often seen as a liar by the evangelical community, at least he had the integrity to say “sexual relations” as opposed to “sex.” What he said regarding Monica Lewinsky, then, was technically true (though no less misleading and dishonest and furthermore dishonorable.) It is President Bush who has no such conscious. I can only think he considers his lies justified by his American/Christian agenda. That is, he believes it is okay to use Satan’s tactics to build God’s kingdom. The specific lies are too numerous to mention, but see this short list: http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

2. He is not like them: He is the product and defender of wealth. Unless you are a millionaire and have close ties to Saudi Arabia, you are not like George W. Bush. His agenda is a pro-oil, pro corporate agenda. Is this good for Christians? Not necessarily. Corporations have killed the American family, polluted the environment, enslaved children of second and third world countries, along with their parents, been discontent with their own boundaries in alignments with dictatorships and evil regimes, and distorted the American thought process into believing quick fix, unbiblical (read: unrealistic) solutions to problems (a bombardment of commercials has trained our minds to believe a small investment in a given product will solve a problem related to the product, even if the product is a piece of crap). So close are the ties between Bush and oil, the counsel for the defendants in the Enron trial of Jeffrey Skilling and Ken Lay favored jurors based upon, among other criteria, their pro Bush sentiments.

3. He is not like them: While evangelicals follow the Prince of Peace, Bush has shown little interest in peace. In a way, however, because there is only one peace studies program at any Christian University or college in all America (Anderson University, Messiah College also has a minor) Bush really is like the modern evangelical, but he is not like Jesus in this way. Bush’ idea of peace comes through policing and intimidating the world.

4. He is not like them: Bush’ black-and-white, simplified version of reality is hardly Biblical. The God of scripture describes a complex reality in which steadfast determination is not considered virtuous in a social climate always in flux. That is, the truth doesn’t change, but people are not perfect in their understanding of truth. Paul presents a message of Christ’s soon return, then later urges patience, saying God is not slow within His own experience of time. Peter, upon Paul’s argument about Gentiles, changes his mind to entertain a table with them. A Christian virtue seems to involve an understanding one will make mistakes, and a humility to change, adapt, learn and lead. Bush (along with nearly every other American president since the invention of radio) does not admit mistakes.

In the end, we have a President who represents and was produced by a corporate greed that barters for oil on foreign soil, defends trade relations with military action, retaliates against the reaction to that infringement with more military action (spinning the reality into simplified Hollywood plot-scenarios) and has robbed the church of it’s identity as the Kingdom of God.

But he does hold a Bible study in the White House. And he prays. Perhaps he should pray for his friends who are standing trial for pump-and-dump frauds that stole millions from their employees, and for his own Vice President who cusses like a sailor and mistakes hunting buddies for small birds.

Now here is the point: Bush is not a bad man misleading and manipulating the church in America for a vote. He is actually, in part, a product of the church. Bush, as afore suggested, nurses upon two teats: corporate America, and Christian America. Ultimately, then, I’ve not given the ultimate true reason evangelicals favor Bush. The truth is evangelicals do not support Bush because he is like them; they support him because they created him.

As for Republican presidents, I miss Ronald Reagan. I don’t miss Reagan because he was perfect, he did lie about Iran Contra and played his part in creating the mess we are currently in, but I do miss him because he was nobody’s pawn. He negotiated the end of the cold war without picking up a gun, he believed in trickle-down economics but understood corporate greed, he had deep-seated beliefs about Democracy, about the beauty (not the perfection) of America, he did not enable members of his own administration, and had the guts to fire failures, he did not see Israel as a good-luck charm of which America could stroke for favor from God, and he liked the idea of God as a benevolent Father who provided for, disciplined and rebuked. He believed America was the shining city and chose for this country to act as a role model for the world. He was not an arrogant man. He was not a weak man. He was not a simple man. He was not a foolish man.

Before running for governor of Texas, bush lobbied Major League Baseball to become President of that association. He would have done a great job and been a role model to many in that position. But real life is not a game, and dead people are not points. And nobody, right now, is winning anything.

Things I did not say:

1. Republicans are bad
2. Bush is completely bad.
3. There is no benefit to individuals or the world from corporations.
4. Ronald Reagan was perfect.
5. Trickle-down economics is perfect.

Further reading? Consider “American Theocracy” by Republican strategist Kevin Phillips.

Things I believe Bush is doing right:

1. He is openly and boldly taking questions from the American people.
2. He is publicly asking America to invest intellectually and financially in alternative sources of energy.
3. He is praying.

Don

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May 9th, 2006


55 Responses to “re: Bush”

  1. Lindsay Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 12:26 pm

    Don,
    Thanks for posting this. I am beginning to actually think about things and what Christ would do. For so long I have thought “this = good” and “that = bad” just because that is what I was told. I realized quickly that when someone said something I disagreed with and I got mad it wasn’t because they were right and I was wrong or I was right and they were wrong, it was because what I had always believed to be right was being challenged. Maybe it is maturity, maybe it is the Holy Spirit…probably both. All I know is I read today that we are to love our enemies. If Truth is absolute, how is it that I can twist it to fit my agenda?
    …
    Father, I pray for our president. I pray he will encounter you and the God-Man, Jesus. I pray he will not lean on his own understanding, and he will be willing to let you control him. And Lord, I pray you will raise up seekers after Jesus who will speak the Truth and challenge us to think about what we believe.
    In Jesus’s name. Amen.

  2. Jonesy Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 12:41 pm

    Don,
    I have been so frustrated by the way Christians have bought into political solutions for spiritual problems, along with the “American dream” that is based on a capitalist system that seems so completely polar opposite of the principles of Christianity. I can’t figure out when being a “patriot” became wrapped up in being a Christian.
    The old joke about how you can tell when a politician is lying (his lips are moving)pretty much sums up the way I feel about politics in general.
    I think ego creates so many problems for all of us and I’m afraid that is what has happened to Pres. Bush, along with many others in public office. Not that we don’t all fall prey to our egos, but when someone is in a position of power, the repercussions seem to be endless.
    There’s my rant for the day.

  3. yup Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 1:20 pm

    don’t really care to hear your political opinions. just write great books and thats all.thanks

  4. bryan Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 1:35 pm

    well mr. yup, the difference between don’s opinion and yours is that don actually put his name to his. unless your email address really is doodoo@hotmail.com. no sense in hiding, right?

  5. Chad Gibbs Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 3:13 pm

    That cannot be mr yup’s email address, b/c it is mine!

  6. aaron Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 6:03 pm

    I think Christians vote Republican because of a general spirit that they feel when listening to them vs. Democrats. There is a vibe there with Democrats that feels wrong. When Hillary or Kennedy speak, something within the American Christian’s spirit cringes. It feels anti-Chrtistlike. When Pres Bush speaks it’s a different experience.

    I’m not saying that feeling is right or justified. But I am saying it’s my experience that Christian’s will tend to behave politically based on a spiritual perception they get from someone.

    Also, I think that if Bush’s approval ratings are that low then its very possible Bush is loosing favor in the Christian realm as well. Perhaps these turn of events will force those who mindlessly approve of any political figure to reexamine the basis of their stance.

    I would include myself in this statement.

    I appreciate your voice in the Christian community Don.

  7. Arian Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 6:15 pm

    Ha, Mr.Yup comes to Don Millers website and then tells him what not to write?! That dont make no sense….good journal entry though. Gives us something to think on.

  8. BrettR Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 7:01 pm

    Thanks for the shots at an easy target and even more thanks for share the good things that you see. The pull for Reagan is a bit strange considering Africa/AIDS/socio-ecomonic darwinianism. Good things to get the mind going and a reminder that the King is on the throne. To you PBR drinkers: that’s Jesus, not Elvis.

  9. Doug Thompson Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 7:34 pm

    Like most here, I’ve enjoyed your books… so thanks. I pastor a small church in Ohio and out of that setting I’ve observed a generational divide in church politics. Over half of my congregation are seniors, faithful voters and stanch democrats. The Boomers, on the other hand, (who have been influnced by evangelical leaders like Dobson, Kennedy, Robertson, etc) are for the most part strong Republicans. The difference I see between the two christian ages is that the boomers are primarily motivated by a moral crusade against abortion and homosexuality; while the seniors are primarily motivated by distrust and financial insecurity. Just my thoughts there.

    Your commentary here is insightful… especially your last point… that Bush is the product of the evangelical movement. Not too many families disavow their own offspring.

  10. Brant Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 7:45 pm

    Other theories:

    Evangelicals also might have a sneaking suspicion (those crazies!) that an enduring, and legally coherent, concept of “marriage” is a good thing for present and future human beings.

    They might tire of being derided as theocrats, while leftist Christians protest a war because Jesus wouldn’t drop bombs, and advocate a “more Christian tax policy” somehow without any sense of irony.

    Were they not monolithic, black-and-white-type hicks, incapable of grasping nuance, they might even be lauded for that which they’re faulted in books like What’s the Matter with Kansas: they actually don’t vote their pocketbooks, but their moral convictions. They’re mocked for that, too. Dupes.

    And, they are incorrigible. They STILL suspect something’s deeply wrong with dismantling babies, and they believe the very highly flawed Bush is a better judge of judges than, say, John Kerry.

    It’s still an issue for som. Not very progressive-cool, but progressivism doesn’t work, either.

  11. The Bush League Theologian » re: Bush Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 8:39 pm

    [...] Donald Miller has written a thoughtful piece on George W. Bush. [donmillerfans.net] » re: Bush In the end, we have a President who represents and was produced by a corporate greed that barters for oil on foreign soil, defends trade relations with military action, retaliates against the reaction to that infringement with more military action (spinning the reality into simplified Hollywood plot-scenarios) and has robbed the church of it’s identity as the Kingdom of God. But he does hold a Bible study in the White House. And he prays. Perhaps he should pray for his friends who are standing trial for pump-and-dump frauds that stole millions from their employees, and for his own Vice President who cusses like a sailor and mistakes hunting buddies for small birds. Now here is the point: Bush is not a bad man misleading and manipulating the church in America for a vote. He is actually, in part, a product of the church. Bush, as afore suggested, nurses upon two teats: corporate America, and Christian America. Ultimately, then, I’ve not given the ultimate true reason evangelicals favor Bush. The truth is evangelicals do not support Bush because he is like them; they support him because they created him. [...]

  12. Amanda Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 10:49 pm

    Don’t have a lot of time …. tell your socialist friend that corporations have created most of the world’s new medicines in the 20th century and more, and made things generally cheaper for all of man kind because of competition and the free market. The 20th century is a case in point for this guy’s form of thinking and it’s complete failure.
    And think of this thought … at the battle of Iwo Jima alone we lost over 7,000 Americans … can you imagine if th press was as ruthless back then over every death as they are now we would have won WW II? Honestly, if the press was as ruthless back then, I really don’t think Hitler and the Japanese would have been defeated.
    This guy’s way of thinking is dead, socialism is dead because it kills the spirit, drive and ambition out of the soul …..

  13. Jai Says:
    May 9th, 2006 at 10:54 pm

    Don,
    I was more than a little disturbed concerning your political ramblings. Your judgments true or not are divisive at best.Your website space could have been dedicated to something more positive and helpful! You seem to be falling into the same judgmental trap that you warn against. I feel that praying for our leaders no matter what “side” they’re on is a more appropriate response for a believer to take.It was your writing that helped me realize my need to keep away from the “us against them” mentality.A more thoughtful insite into the human condition or a call to social justice would be nice for an encore?

  14. Where Are The Wise Men? » Blog Archive » Wise Words of Don Miller Says:
    May 10th, 2006 at 10:06 am

    [...] I liked the post Don Miller had yesterday about George Bush. Here’s a more permanant link. Bush is not a bad man misleading and manipulating the church in America for a vote. He is actually, in part, a product of the church. [...]

  15. Omo Olurun Says:
    May 10th, 2006 at 1:45 pm

    I am not a big fan of Bush, but this post actually helped me consider him in a more positive light, which I don’t think was its intended purpose.

    Here’s the thing that is interesting to me. Corporations make some bad decisions at times because of greed. However I believe, that no country in the world holds its corporations to more accountability than the US. There are other businesses in the world operating Enron style, but few of them will ever pe put on trial and have to defend their actions. Also, countries that are very restrictive of corporations also tend to be quite poor.

    The other point I thought was interesting was comparing Bush to Jesus. As believers we are called to be imitators of Christ. This is clear. However, Bush and Jesus have to lead in very different ways. Jesus was not a political leader and he wasn’t charged to protect citizens of an earthly country. That being said, I believe that some wars are unjust and some wars are unneccessary. But as long as we live in this sinful world, wars are going to be neccessary to correct injustices when some leaders refuse to listen to diplomacy and consider the interests of their citizens. Of course it is a very difficult question because all human leaders have some bias and so it is difficult to determine when another nation has an obligation to step in.

  16. Brent Says:
    May 10th, 2006 at 3:59 pm

    Don,

    I want to thank you for writing “Searching for God Knows What”. I am currently reading it and chapter 12 “Morality: Why I am Better Than You” Sums up my frustrations with evangelical Christianity so well. I found myself cheering for you as I turned each page saying “Yes! Someone else gets it!” I have read “Blue Like Jazz” and “Searching for God Knows What” and I have become a big fan. I have contributed much to your financial well being as I have bought your books for several friends and youth in my church to read. Thanks for your work, and thanks for your commentary on our President. Its interesting that you note evangelical christians like Bush because we have created Bush.

  17. BrettR Says:
    May 10th, 2006 at 5:30 pm

    This post really goes beyond the throne of Presidency. The question has to become internalized into asking: what is the church manufacturing us/me into? Answers will differ, I was born and raised in the church, many reading this have been to Disneyland more than their local church. The answer, I believe, is in my blind spot that the mirrors don’t reach. After that the question has to be: what should the church be doing though us/me — what is the ultimate byproduct?

  18. Jen Says:
    May 10th, 2006 at 6:04 pm

    Don, Thanks for this posting. I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on Bush, the war, and politics and general. For about a year, I’ve been struggling to figure out where I stand politically. It’s so easy to be apathetic and/or just support Bush because he’s a Christian. However, I do want to understand and have an opinion about our government and what our country is involved in. So… thanks for the points to think about. And for the book recommendation, because I’m defintley looking forward to reading it.

  19. Derek Says:
    May 11th, 2006 at 12:19 am

    Don… First, I’ve really enjoyed your books. Your thoughts have echoed in my spirit and given words to many of my own internal feelings. And once again you have done that with this article.

    I appreciate your willingness to write this article and to put yourself out on a limb in the evangelical community. Hopefully it won’t break as I crawl out there to sit with you!

    Blessings…
    Derek

  20. Tim Says:
    May 11th, 2006 at 10:04 am

    I appreciate the honesty in your opinion, Don. I think you should be commended, which I can say even though I don’t agree with everything you think and feel politically.

    Ever since I started reading BLJ and S4GKW (presently), and especially after hearing you speak at Messiah College (well done, btw), I have been contemplating many of my political views. My eyes have been opened to various social justice issues that I had been blinded to, and would still be if I were still adding my fundamental Baptist church. The Blood Water Mission, for example, is one such valuable cause that I plan to support.

    War is another, more specifically my stance of being “pro-life”. If I claim that I am pro-life, shouldn’t that be pro-life for everyone: the unborn, the prisoner, the enemy? I have been struggling with the death penalty for many years due to a cousin who was murdered and his parents petitioning the court to not give his killer the death penalty. But I have never second-guessed the reason for war. Now I do based on what pro-life should mean as a follower of Jesus.

    That said, I think that lumping abortion and gay marriage as only a conservative Christian concern is not completely accurate. The ban on gay marriage specifically crosses “the aisle” and based on votes goes outside the evangelical church, too. Even Oregon banned gay marriage in a constitutional referendum 57% to 43%, the same election year as it chose Kerry over Bush by 52% to 48%.

    But what frustrates me most about our political scene in the US is the blame game that is being played by all corners. Personally, I’m unhappy with a lot of what is happening in DC and within my own state of Pennsylvania. Everyone is in it for themselves, on both sides of the aisle, blaming each other. This is the main reason that I don’t blame Bush for the failures is that he has inconsistent support even in his own party. He clearly doesn’t have the control needed to be the source of failure of everything that is going wrong, or at least not going right. I’m nearly ready to throw in the towel politically and go independent.

    But what I am discovering most about my look inward about politics and views is that I am more and more in support of the separation of church and state. Current politics is so far away from Jesus that I think the more separation of church and state the better we Jesus followers can be protected from the evangelical political group that Don has identified above, who should more often than not ought put their collective foot in their mouth.

    Thank you again, Don, for thinking and writing from your heart, soul, and mind. It is healthy for you to do and healthy for us to read, digest, and discuss in love.

  21. Van Edwards Says:
    May 11th, 2006 at 10:10 am

    Don,
    Since we are told by Paul to pray for our leaders, I hope you are praying for our President as much as you criticize him. There are no perfect people, Christians or Presidents. And though I voted for Bush and would again, this does not mean that I support or advocate everything he does. In fact, if he were a Mormon, I would have voted for him. Why? Because families ARE important. The sanctity of life IS important. And I’m a better judge of where my money should go. I do not, however, agree with how our President has spent “government” money.

    The website given with examples of Bush “lies” is an anti-Bush site that sees a lie in everything he does and says. It includes distorted pictures of Prez. Bush’s face and other mockeries of our President. I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk for the same reason that I don’t read these types of anti-Bush folk. Their agenda is obvious. (Don’t believe the hype!) I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is an election year and the media seems to be piling on the Republicans.

    I am in no way comparing Bush or anybody with Jesus, but I’m sure Christ’s approval rating was dismal. What if Bush’s approval rating was 95%? Would it matter? Whether we are approved of should not be an indication of whether we are in the right or not. You of all people should know that.

    Although you raise some good points about Bush’s Christianity and how it reflects current trends in the church, you’re sarcasm and accusations against him are unwarranted. And was it really necessary to say VP Cheney confuses buddies with birds?

    Your book, Blue Like Jazz had an overall positive effect on me. But this type of snarkiness works against what you said in your books. We will not be saved by politicians or the political system. True love and salvation comes through the actions of Christians energized with the love of Christ. Call it “one-anothering”; call it social justice; whatever you like. But’s its that type of active love - the kind of love you’ve advocated in your books and Derek Webb sings about - that will change people. Let’s leave the rhetoric to Carville, Limbaugh, Hannity & Colmes.

  22. loretta Says:
    May 11th, 2006 at 1:36 pm

    we are a people driven by fear. it has become of the utmost importance to defend our stance, our government, our faith, etc. because we are afraid of what it might mean if we are wrong. and my question is, what if you are wrong? what will happen then? and what if you are right? what does that really matter if it doesn’t build unity, love and peace amongst fellow citizens of this earth. not just brothers and sisters in christ, those are important too. but we are called to live in this world and to love this world. fear will not guide anyone to authentic love and knowledge of truth. i can’t imagine it ever will or that it ever has.

  23. Derek Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 1:31 am

    Why is it that Christians can only talk about politics as long as they toe the Republican Party Line?

  24. Daniel Decker - Jax, FL Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 1:32 am

    Right or wrong… Pro Bush or Anti Bush… he is our president and unless there is evidence of gross neglect, deceit, or malicious activity… for me personally I think our nation needs to practice a bit more support for our leaders. Granted, Bush may have made some choices that we all wish we could change but he did not make them alone.

    Regardless, I worry more so about the foundation of our great nation being eroded by “politics.” More and more do you see US citizens, the media, etc. chastising our elected leaders to the point of extreme separation. I get so tired of seeing “politicians” in general saying things and changing position on a whim just to avoid political fallout. Perhaps that is one of the comforting thoughts about Bush. He may not stand on the best side of the issue all the time but at least you are fairly confident where he actually stands.

    I am fearful of what our government and elected offices will look like in 20 years. No one wants to accept responsibility. Presidential campaigns are costing millions and millions of dollars. Everyone on Washington seems to just break under the partisan politics, the special interest, the money, the influence. I just don’t get it. Sometimes I think instead of Enron we need to be taking a closer look at our government. A democracy of “whoever raises the most money wins” is, in my opinion, not what our founding fathers had in mind.

  25. angelaw Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 1:22 pm

    i can’t understand why we are gracious enough to let donald say what he thinks in his books, but we can’t give him the opportunity to express his political views on his own website! sometimes i feel like christians are allergic to discourse - we break out in intellectual hives. i agree with derek up there. good question.

    from a not-so-disgruntled canadian girl…

  26. Dennis Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 2:39 pm

    This not-so-disgruntled Canadian guy agrees with Angela.

    And yes, we are asked to pray for our leaders, but that certainly doesn’t mean we can’t be critical of them when they say one thing and do another. It’s called accountability, and if anyone in this world needs to be accountable for the things they say, and the things they do, it’s our world leaders.

    Kudos to Don for speaking his mind on these issues. It really is refreshing to see someone in his “shoes” within the christian culture/ghetto share his thoughts on these things, though they may not mesh with others within that “marketplace”.

  27. John Bruso Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 8:22 pm

    Don,

    I really appreciate your honest approach to teaching the Word. It is refreshing. However, I disagree with you on the following point. Some good friends of mine are close friends with the Bush’s… they were campaign managers for the Bush’s gubernatorial campaign in Texas. So, I also have some personal insight here… albeit only a little.

    I’ll start with the easy one… about economics.

    Economics
    You said, “He is the product and defender of wealth. Unless you are a millionaire and have close ties to Saudi Arabia, you are not like George W. Bush. His agenda is a pro-oil, pro corporate agenda.”

    … and your point is? I am not wealthy. In fact, I am a single income parent who doesn’t even crack 40k a year. However, Bush’s economic policy has nothing to do with me as an individual. It has everything to do with economics. His job as the President is to protect and grow our economy.

    Any economist will tell you that the way to build an economy is to spur economic growth. Economic growth increases governments ability to serve its citizens because greater GDP means a greater tax base. The way to spur economic growth is for investing individuals to invest their own money. Cutting taxes for the rich, whether you like it or not, does this. Cutting taxes for, what is largely, a base of consumers with the poor, serves no long term purpose. It might be politically popular, but when it comes down to the consumer vs the investor, improving the situation for the investor is the greater priority for growth. Welcome to our world of limited resources.

    Does cutting taxes for the rich help me? Yes. In a larger picture, our nation is stronger economically when it’s Gross Domestic Product Increases and subsequent Tax base increases as well.

    This economic fact does not make me feel threatened. At the end of the day, the wealthy are still paying 30% in taxes compared to my 15%.

    Bush is a liar
    Yeah, he is. Aren’t you too? I am.

    The end justifies the means
    Bush subscribes to the notion that the end justifies the means.

    I haven’t decided yet my pragmatic position on this philosophy. However, Jesus’ parable of the shrewd manager who was getting fired comes to mind.

    Bush’ idea of peace comes through policing and intimidating the world.
    Bush has demanded results. This notion is new in the international community. They’re having a difficult time processing this I think.

    Intimidating the world??? Don! Come on… Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea, that’s not the whole world…. But, certainly an axis +1 of evil.

    Peace… Jesus said he didn’t come to bring peace. Yes, he specifically said that.

    Bush and Cheney Cuss
    Yeah, they do… and I think both of their wives hate it. But these are passionate men. They passionately believe in a view of the world. Their passion is sometimes poorly manifested through their flesh. That happens to me all the time.

    I think Paul was very similar to them. Yes, the apostle Paul. Before everyone slams me, read Galations 5:12. And read it in a few different versions, because quite honestly, the translators have a hard time repeating it in context. Let me see your pastor speak like Paul. Yeah… passion. Passionate men are often rough around the edges.

    Grace Christian, grace… Thank God they’re passionate about something. I haven’t tithed in a month.

    Bush does not admit mystakes
    Yes he does, but not publicly. Why? Because it’s political suicide. He’d be forgiven, and then crushed politically. Personally, I believe there is humility in him.

    He is just a man, but an effective one.

  28. Kevin Says:
    May 12th, 2006 at 11:58 pm

    Don-

    It is funny how you left out one of the greatest reason that I support the President.

    His work and concern for Africa. He has done more than any President in history in working to bring clean water and anti-retrovial and other drugs to Africa.

    I guess you didn’t include that in your list because that wouldn’t make you as cool.

    Also, do you have a better alternative? Do you really think Kerry (or gore) would do a better job at running this country? It is easy to take pot-shots at someone than to really see them as flawed human beings who may or may not be seeking to do the right thing.

    I’m sure you’d be a great president….You sit around in your underware all day trying to think of funny stories to sell books. Is that your contribution to society?

  29. Sacred Journey » Blog Archive » Miller on Bush: We Like Him Because We Created Him - Blog of Mark Traphagen Says:
    May 14th, 2006 at 8:43 am

    [...] Over on my buddy Bryan’s donmillerfans.net, pomo poster boy Don Miller has written a provocative post outlining his take on Double-yuh. He asks why evangelicals stick with this guy, now at his lowest approval rating ever. Don first ticks off the obvious reasons, the ways in which Bush is like his fellow evangelicals. By contrast, he lists the many ways in which, in his opinion, Bush is not like evangelicals (or, more accurately, ways in which Bush acts that controvert things for which Miller thinks evangelicals should stand). [...]

  30. Jonathan Says:
    May 14th, 2006 at 3:22 pm

    A major in peace? I think Bush is a warmonger, but a major in Peace is the gayest thing I’ve ever heard of.

  31. The World Beyond This One » Miller’s Thoughts Says:
    May 14th, 2006 at 6:07 pm

    [...] Those of you that are new to my blog will quickly learn that I am a bit obsessed with Donald Miller. Just read any of my old post. I think Miller is an amazing writer and he has a way of presenting the gospel in a non threatening way. Check out this link to Miller's Fan site. It is a post about his thoughts on President Bush's approval rating. It is quite interesting. [...]

  32. Jess Says:
    May 14th, 2006 at 8:10 pm

    (First, kudos to Van Edwards. Nice response.)

    There is a knot in my stomach as I write this.

    As a Christian trying to live authentically in a culture and society that is increasingly divided, especially in the realm of politics, I find conversations like these generally unhelpful. Of course Donald Miller has the right to his opinion, and overall the article was more positive than what I’ve read so far in “Searching for God Knows What.”

    Taking potshots at conservatives really doesn’t help the situation, and it certainly doesn’t promote “peace.” Speaking of peace, this is a particular sore spot for me. Christianity is not one-sided. Following Jesus does not mean never having to fight; on the contrary, it often means doing just that. That said, we have to know our enemies. Personally I think terrorist who works to make the world a more terrifying place qualifies. Of course, we wrestle not against flesh and blood; but since we live in the realm of flesh and blood, that is often how our Enemy chooses to attack us. Nowhere in the bible does it say that we are never to fight. And it is our responsibility to overcome evil. I don’t think all Middle Eastern people are evil; I don’t buy into that. But was removing Saddam from power so wrong? He was an evil man whose people deserved to be liberated. So, I’m confused. That was a bad cause, but others are okay?

    I’m just so aggravated that suddenly it is “relevant” and “post-modern” and “hip” to bash conservative Christians. It is not only unkind, it is untrue to paint them the way Miller has (not only here, but also in BLJ and SFGKW) and it borders on judgmentalism. We vote Republican because it’s where our hearts and values are, not our checkbooks. We DO believe in the sanctity of human life, and Democrats do NOT hold the corner on helping the underprivileged. I could site numerous examples just from my own community.
    However, as it popular to say today, God is neither Democrat nor Republican. I believe this. So why does it seem like this is often said in the same breath as a criticism of our president or the conservative, evangelical community?

    Again, everyone here is entitled to express his or her political views; however, it seems like these kinds of discussions are usually divise and unhelpful.

  33. Imperfect Mirror Says:
    May 14th, 2006 at 10:11 pm

    The Value of Celebrity

    Mark Traphagen, a friend and brother in Christ, recently addressed Don Miller’s highly political take on George W. Bush. [Full disclosure: I am the technical support behind [donmillerfans.net], and I’ve ended up as the administrator of the…

  34. Larry Shallenberger Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 8:16 am

    Hey, don’t agree with all of what you wrote, but I appreceiate the push. I’m a recovering Rush-addict; I had quite the right-wing-Ollie-North-for-President upbringing. I haven’t left the party, but I’ve definately become suspicous.

    Face it. Neither party will build the kingdom.

  35. TR Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 12:53 pm

    “Bush, as afore suggested, nurses upon two teats: corporate America, and Christian America.”

    I think it’s funny that Don nurses upon the same ‘teats.’ Doesn’t corporate America sell his books and don’t Christians buy his books?

    I’ve bought 7 of Don’s books. One BLJ and the others were To Own a Dragon. Five of those I’ve given away to friends and family. I’m invested here. In fact I’ve keep thinking of others I want to buy the book for. He has said some things, particularly as it relates to growing up without a father, that I think are helpful enough that I’m spending my hard earned money so that loved ones might also glean from Don’s wisdom. Now, I’m not so sure.

    Don has the ‘right’ to share his political views but with the full knowledge that doing so is divisive and that it will repel a large segment of Christians who are on the other side. I’ve already heard that SFGKW is full of his Bush bashing. Guess who won’t be buying that book? Not just me but many others. So if he wants to cut himself off from one of his ‘teats’ so be it.

    It’s just like the Hollywood folks who came out against the war. I don’t pay to see their movies anymore, I don’t care about their opinion, and I guess I probably wouldn’t like them if I met them. But I sure do like the part they play in the family friendly movies they star in. We like who they portray – not them! They’ll never understand that I guess.

    We “evangelical Christians” have many convictions about things that we believe are from the Lord. One is that we will NEVER knowingly vote for anyone who believes in Abortion. I won’t even watch a Whoopie Goldberg movie since I heard that she’s had multiple abortions.

    Our convictions are that GWB is an honorable man who also has a deep personal relationship with Our Lord & Savior. When you state that the “impeached one” -Clinton -has more integrity and is more honorable than Bush - it defies belief. I mean Bush showed the influence Christ has had on his life in the many ways he and his father have reached out to Clinton repeatedly (conservatives Hate this). And yet this ‘man of integrity’ keeps publicly bashing Bush every chance he gets.

    Now I’m getting a ‘conviction’ about Don Miller.

    I think Don’s right of political free speech is like the “everything is Permissible” argument of 1 Cor 10 :23 – 11:1. Paul states when it comes to meat offered to idols: “Do not cause anyone to stumble… for I am not seeking my own.” Yes, you have the right, and God has open the door for you to have an incredible ministry, but has He really asked you to be so one-sided politically that you alienate those you were building bridges to?

  36. bryan Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 1:44 pm

    If folks don’t care about the opinions of the hollywood folk, then wouldn’t you decide whether or not to watch their art based on the quality of it, and not something completely unrelated? some of you seem to be contradicting yourself, claiming not to care about their opinions and then in the next breath saying that you refuse to watch their movies because of their opinions.

    i too am vehemently opposed to abortions, but when i need some outlets rewired i dont ask potential electricians where they stand on Roe v. Wade. I look for the guy/girl who can do the best job they can as an electrician. Same goes for which restaurants i eat at and where i get my hair cut. And when i want to watch a movie, i am looking for a great story and great acting, i could care less if an actor is opposed to the war or has marched on washington for gay marriage rights. why should their opinions be put on a pedestal?

    When we boycott Susan Sarandon’s movies because of her liberal agenda, we are basically saying that her opinion is important. we are the ones giving it credence. Many people get bent out of shape when athletes and actors wax political, and then in the next breath claim that their opinions shouldn’t matter. i agree, they shouldn’t matter, so let’s stop making a big deal out of them.

    Don Miller is another one of these celebrities. Like the electrician, actor, and athlete, he too has a craft. And he is very good at it. Seperate from that, he also has political opinions that he likes to voice on his blog (and opinions on food, movies, beer, and lots of other stuff too). His opinions are no better than yours or mine, they are just one man’s thoughts.

    I think the problem people really have with his comments is that they think that in order to support someone’s art they need to be sure that all of the artist’s beliefs line up with theirs. why is that? why are we so afraid of people within the body of Christ having differing opinions on tough issues? I’m not saying we shouldn’t know what we believe and be prepared to explain it…I’m saying that we shouldn’t think that 100% of our opinions are 100% right, leaving no room for others to voice something that differs.

    And as far as Don’s opinions being divisive because many Christians don’t want to hear anti-Bush sentiment, do you really think that’s a good reason to not share something? For far too long we’ve been running from tough answers and divisive issues and I’m not really sure why. We live in a complex world with complex issues. What is the alternative to addresing divisive issues? ignoring them? pretending they are actually simple and not complex? i hope not.

    In the end, if folks want to make sure that the morals and beliefs of everyone they do business with line up with theirs, it’s their prerogative. Just be prepared for some strange looks when you ask your dry cleaner for his stance on gun control before handing him your dirty laundry.

    bryan

  37. Jon Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 1:54 pm

    Wow. I think several people one here need to learn how to read the Bible. Especially on the subject of peace and turning the other cheek. Unless of course, Christ didn’t mean what he said about loving your enemies and reconciliation. Christ didn’t come to bring peace? Maybe you need to understand what he was actually saying there.

    Good post Don. I completely agree about the peace studies at schools.

  38. Jess Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 7:28 pm

    Hmm.

    This is exactly what I meant. We’re not talking about what it is we have in common, the things that make us on the same side, we’re talking about the thing we disagree about. And that is why when someone like Donald Miller or any celebrity goes on a rant, it creates division.

    I don’t mean to say we should always avoid confrontation. But this is not really about fixing what is wrong. This is about one person’s opinions versus another’s. Or, in this case, a bunch of people versus a bunch of other people. The problem I have with Don’s views is not just that they are different from mine; I don’t feel like everyone has to agree with me and what I think. I don’t think I have everything figured out. What I have a problem with is Donald making such an issue out of not being “us vs. them” yet going on to belittle the views of his brothers and sisters. It sort of negates everything he just said.

    And if a celebrity is entitled to his or her opinion, then the audience is also entitled to an opinion. That’s part of being an American, so it seems. The difference between an actor and electrician’s views is that my electrician doesn’t offer his views without being asked. My plumber doesn’t voluntarily mention his political party. But actors, apparently, get to offer their views on any political topic simply because we put them in the limelight and act like whatever they say is important. Perhaps a bit of boycotting would help them remember that they are not our spokesmen. Saying nothing and acting like we agree certainly isn’t going to let them know their opinions aren’t important.

    Don’s political views aren’t “on the side.” They are a part of what he writes about. And as such, they are part of what would make someone decide whether or not to read his work.

  39. Dennis Says:
    May 15th, 2006 at 9:14 pm

    “It’s just like the Hollywood folks who came out against the war. I don’t pay to see their movies anymore, I don’t care about their opinion, and I guess I probably wouldn’t like them if I met them.”

    For the love of GOD! [literally] If the only thing ‘evangelicals’ can do to get their point across is boycott movies and Walmart, then this world really is going to hell in a handbasket.

    and…

    If the only people we are willing to let talk [or have opinions] about politics and all things political are politicians, then we truly are foolish, foolish people..

  40. Bill Says:
    May 16th, 2006 at 12:52 am

    I’m done with Don and his books, and this website, since he has sold out to being the “cool pomo anti-evangelical/right wing” Christian.

    also, where are all the “peace” meaning “anti-war” references in the Bible. I don’t see them - except for maybe the Beatitudes, but even those go much deeper and personal than war between nations.

  41. The Boars Head Tavern » Blog Archive » Patrick Henrey and Don Miller Says:
    May 16th, 2006 at 9:43 am

    [...] On Don Miller: he’s a great writer. Of that I have no doubt. He’s also a cool guy to hang around. He spoke at Cornerstone a couple years ago, and apart from the political stuff, his critiques and challenges to evangelical American Christianity is spot on. But for politics, to borrow a phrase from Foghorn Leghorn, “nice kid but about as bright as a sack of wet mice.” I wonder if he realizes or even cares that those who most need to hear his critique are likely to write him off entirely when he starts waxing political. It brings him down from a hip, intelligent, thinking believer to just another lamer shouting anti-Bush slogans that make as much sense as those who give Bush a pass because he’s on their team. [...]

  42. The Boars Head Tavern » Blog Archive » Says:
    May 16th, 2006 at 9:43 am

    [...] Donald Miller is a good writer. Unfortunately, he knows as much about politics and leadership as he does about romance and marriage. [...]

  43. Chris Says:
    May 16th, 2006 at 2:30 pm

    It has been said, “I learn little from the person I agree with”. It’s a quote that I’ve grown to appreciate, but doesn’t always come easily.

    Now more than ever before Christians must build relationships within our world, and relationships mean talking and interacting with people of different ideas views and lifestyles.

    I’ve always appreciated Don’s strong passion for relationships of all kinds and it has inspired me to be much more open with my thinking and my life.

    Why not let people speak their mind? Why not take the time to listen no matter how difficult it might be to accept what they’re saying? And as far as US politics go…why not get a Canadian to run your country? We’re non-threatening, quite practical and humble to a fault!

  44. Bill Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 1:29 am

    If a Canadian ran our country, where would all the canadians go for good health care????

  45. Jai Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 9:33 am

    Do people think Don Miller actually reads this fluff?

  46. arian Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 11:28 am

    Okay, I think some people are taking the offensive when its not necessary. I am a christian and yes I voted for Bush, due to my convictions at that time, in the last election. I was not offended by what Don wrote. I know we are told to pray for and support our leaders but that command would not change no matter who the leader of our country is. The person could be a liberal democrat atheist and we would still have to pray and support them. Just because Bush is a christian and “God fearing” or has prayer conferences in the White House does not mean that all the decisions he makes and all the things he says are good for our country or other nations in the World. Simply its good to be aware of those things. I dont think bashing Don or his overall character for sharing his thoughts is necessary…ecspecially on his own website. sheesh :)

  47. Geof F. Morris Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 12:23 pm

    Jai: Don reads the comments here from time to time. Given that he had to know this would be controversial, I’m sure he’s checking in every so often.

    GFM <– DMF.net staff.

  48. David Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 3:55 pm

    Don,
    First of all I wanted to say I loved Blue Like Jazz, Searching For God Knows What, and Through the Painted Deserts. They all really spoke to me in different ways and I have overquoted your insights in several conversations with friends.

    I also wanted to comment on your recent entry about George Dubya. I read it today on the Derek Webb messageboard. I loved what you said but would like to set the record straight about one thing. You forgot at least one school with a peace studies major.

    I am a Justice, Peace, and Conflict Studies major at Eastern Mennonite University. It’s a great program and there are some great thinkers both in the student body and faculty. We also have a similar graduate program and the Summer Peace Institute where peacemakers from around the world gather to discuss new ideas etc. Let me know if you’d like to know more, I’d be happy to share some of what I’ve learned thus far. I’m also eager to learn about any insights you have on peace studies etc. Do you know anything about Restorative Justice?

    Also, do you really miss Reagan? What about the atrocities in Latin America? Of course, these go back to Eisenhower and probably even before. Have you heard of the School of Americas? I’ll be working at the SOA Watch this summer.

    Well, that’s it I guess. I envisioned writing something much more profound. You’re books really were a necessary refreshment. Thanks again!

    Peace,
    David

  49. FH Says:
    May 17th, 2006 at 8:18 pm

    Don,

    I can not thank you enough for writing this article. I live in a flaming Republican state in the very,very deep south where everyone associates being Christian with being Republican and George Bush is their savior. I come from an extremely Democratic Christian family and throughout my life in the church I have been seen as less than spiritual because of my political choices. I teach in a very rural community where they still believe that Bush is out to save the world and being American is next to being a god. I have worked with various missions organizations in several third-world countries and every time I have stepped onto foreign soil I have been questioned about the war, Bush, and America in general. It is a painful experience when you can’t serve others because they are angry over the choices your political leaders have made.

    I have passed your books onto several students and church members. Thank you for being who you are.

  50. Dan Says:
    May 19th, 2006 at 11:08 am

    Don,

    I scanned the comments above, so I might have missed it if someone else made this poin.

    Bush does not hold prayer and Bible study sessions in the WH. Some staffers do, but I have yet to see a report of Bush even showing up at one, much less holding one.

    One substantive point: the Democratic Party is a subsidiary of NARAL. I will hold my nose and vote for Republicans for President and Senate for one simple reason– control of the WH and Senate means more Supreme Court Justices like Roberts and Alito, fewer like Breyer and Ginsberg. Yes, I care about the poor, and belong to a Church in a downtown urban area that is a strong witness to caring for the homeless and working poor. I drive 15 miles and past at least two dozen other churches of my denomination because it has, for the 35 years plus I have been a member, been a consistent witness to caring for the least of these, and when it comes to the least of all, children, I can’t support the party of death.

  51. Jai Says:
    May 19th, 2006 at 10:55 pm

    I think Miller just wrote that stuff for the shock value and reation it would get and we’re the suckers spending all the time talking about him. I don’t think he even believes what he wrote.

  52. Mark Says:
    May 20th, 2006 at 12:29 am

    Don,
    Like nearly everyone else on this board, I really appreciate that you wrote this. My feelings towards politics have been nothing but harsh for the past few years, because, like many other people, I feel they are often taken so far that they create unecessary division in our country, and people often are often too blind to realize it. Oddly enough, my political science class was the only class I enjoyed this semester. I think because my professor was very balanced and realized his party wasn’t perfect. I voted for Bush last election, and I’m trying hard not to jump on the anti-Bush bandwagon most of the people my age are riding. I may not agree with all his decisions, but no politician is perfect, and given the immense diversity of opinions in America, it’s difficult to please all of them while still adhering to your stance on issues. I am grateful, however, that our President is praying. I just hope he listens well. But have a good night, and thanks again.

    -Mark

  53. John Fraiser Says:
    May 24th, 2006 at 5:52 pm

    oooo….Don sounds angry. I hear a lot from him about being authentic and being patient with mistakes and failures in others and in yourself. Apparently, he checks that advice at the door when it comes to his president. I think Don is right that Evangelicals like Bush because he’s like them, but I also think that’s precisely the reason that Don doesn’t like Bush: he’s like an evangelical–the same evangelicals and fundamentalists that hurt him that wounded him so deeply as young child and a new believer. When I look at Don Miller and many of the ermerging church advocates (note I did not say Donald Miller was one of them) I see all of the anger toward conservative evangelicals that they claim is pointed at them by conservative evangelicals. I hear too much rehearsal of the wounds they received from churches and not enough of the forgiveness and (here’s the key one) patience with those who hurt them. I see alot of the anger they claim comes from the evangelical right inflicted back on them. Donald Miller talks about not seeing in black and white and not painting one group as all good or all bad. I agree with this, but his appreciation of Bush is marginal compared to the anger he exhibits toward him and the evangelicals who are “just like him.” That he could even link a site like bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm which spouts hatred for Bush and conservatives as well indicates to me that while not looking at Bush’s presidency as a black or white issue he is prehaps working with a charcoal grey and ecru format. I think it is only fair to hold Don Miller to same standard of graciousness and humility toward others that he seeks to hold everyone else to. I do not hate Don Miller and I do not believe that he hates George Bush but I do see an enormous amount of hypocrisy in his anger and criticism of Bush. May the Lord bless Don Miller and George Bush.

    http://www.chaosandoldnight.wordpress.com

  54. Carol Richards Says:
    May 30th, 2006 at 7:38 pm

    Just where is Mr. Miller getting his “facts” from? The mainstream media? Sure, they are ALWAYS honest! Or are these his own self righteous opinions?

    I don’t know what his definition of “evangelical” is but he makes it out to be something evil. Almost a four letter word. Why? Because they take a stand on an issue that they believe is clear in the Bible? (Read Ephesians 4:14). Because they openly share their faith with others and are not ashamed of the gospel of Christ? Every other faith in America has the right to do this, but when “evangelicals” do this they are sited as “pushy” or “insensitive.”

    What makes Mr. Miller so superior to make a statement that evangelicals/conservatives/Republicans are low in character, intellect and blindly support President Bush? Basically he is judging. I’m quite certain the Bible says that is not a good thing to do. Anyway, the same things can be said about Liberals/Democrats, whether Christians or not (low character and intellect and blindly support their candidate). It can be said of everyone at times. And yes he is saying republicans, evangelicals, conservatives are bad, whether he realizes it or not. Making blanket statements and generalizing statements and libelous statements seems to be what he likes to do best, based on his books.

    What about the UN and all the corruption there? And the corruption during the Clinton reign? Do Liberals blindly look away? And why is it that Liberals feel it is the “conservative” American government that causes the world’s problems and it is up to the American government to solve them?

    Maybe some of just believe in LESS government programs. Programs like welfare that keep people suppressed and treating them like they are not capable of anything, instead of giving them education for a job or trade where they could feel proud, accomplish goals and take care of themselves. And some of us believe that the separation of church and state was created to keep the Government out of the church, not the other way around.

    What happened to the scriptural way of the church and individuals taking care of the hungry, the poor, the orphans and the widows? And why don’t Mr. Miller and others spend more time praying for our country’s leadership and those in authority here and around the world as the Bible states we should? Maybe more people should pray for GOD’S will instead of making derogatory, slanderous and divisive remarks and trying to make our own agenda happen.

  55. Keith Says:
    February 6th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    The only approval rating lower than President Bush’s is that of CONGRESS.
    As as organic farmer, I was impressed that Bush sought to lower factory farm subsidies, and encourage small family farms and vegetable/fruit farms. His speech writer even wrote a book about the ills of factory farms. Congress (Democratic) managed to gut most of the provisions which would have helped small farms.
    But the real solution is to get govmint out of farming period (and instead re-visit the Declaration of Independence and Constitution). As Reagan said, “goverment is the problem, not the solution”.
    I really like Don’s writings, except where he delves into one-sided political opinion.
    Keith

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